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Title: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 30 October, 2019, 19:26:39 PM
Hi all, just done a good bit of business and find myself in a position to put (yet) another engine in the truck. I have a price of 1,600 for a rebuilt engine from engineering services in Rainham. I bought the last one from them and it has done well. Also I see Milners do a new long engine for 1,800. Question is has anybody used Milners engines and how good are they? I just looked at some second hand trucks here in France and the prices are horrendous,how about a 2003 truck for 12,000 Euros? and a 2004 for 15,000.Also how do I get a discount code for Milners. Any input would be appreciated,cheers all Pete.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 30 October, 2019, 19:30:33 PM
some one has come to me with a 13month old milners engine with a head gasket leak,  milners not interested in warranty, 

what have you done to your engine,  and what has been done in the past?   there is no reason to be needing to put a new engine in more than once,

weve got 4 on original engines at 150 thou plus miles,   no issues,


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 30 October, 2019, 20:49:03 PM
Cheers for the quick response,the head is twisted by 4mm and we are not sure about the block, which is why I am looking for a new motor.The truck has done 370,000 kilometers much of it off road and pulling heavy trailers not to mention pulling the caravan over half of Europe so it has not had an easy life. Its more or less retired now, I just use it for forestry collecting wood and as a run around so I am looking for a solution for the next few years. Sounds like you arn't keen on Milners so perhaps I will go with the devil I know. If you have any more thoughts on this I would be grateful.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: rodeast24 on 31 October, 2019, 10:15:49 AM
I put a remanufactured engine in mine from Ivor searl was not cheap but I think you pay for what you get,


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: keyL200 on 31 October, 2019, 19:34:11 PM
My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 31 October, 2019, 19:41:35 PM
Cheers for the quick response,the head is twisted by 4mm and we are not sure about the block, which is why I am looking for a new motor.The truck has done 370,000 kilometers much of it off road and pulling heavy trailers not to mention pulling the caravan over half of Europe so it has not had an easy life. Its more or less retired now, I just use it for forestry collecting wood and as a run around so I am looking for a solution for the next few years. Sounds like you arn't keen on Milners so perhaps I will go with the devil I know. If you have any more thoughts on this I would be grateful.

so youve got a warped head,,   why not check the block for flatness eh?  piece of bright of a good ruler and a feeler guage is all you need to save yourself 1500quid christ.


ours are builders and farmers wagons, the "hard life"  excuse doesnt hold water,  ours get treated far worse than yours i garuntee it and likely pull heavier loads.  its a question of other parts not being up to scratch causing overheating.

cast iron blocks are almost always ok,  check it with flat, i literally just threw a brand new head on a farmers truck that had been Fliped for years and only cost me 230odd quid.

check your fan, your egr cooler, your radiator, your thermostat,  turbo feed pipes,  and o ring,.


dont throw good money after bad, damn.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: barnstormer on 01 November, 2019, 01:24:22 AM
My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: keyL200 on 01 November, 2019, 11:46:46 AM
My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: barnstormer on 01 November, 2019, 13:23:58 PM
My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.

Thought so! That's what happens when you fit a solid flywheel to an engine designed to have a DMF.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 01 November, 2019, 19:48:39 PM
OK Douch I take your point I will get a new head and put it on myself. I havn't done this on a L200 before so bear with me if I ask dumb questions. First one if i put a rule on its edge alond the length of the block would this show up any warping. How do you rate Milners heads or do you know of another supplier.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: barnstormer on 01 November, 2019, 22:26:57 PM
OK Douch I take your point I will get a new head and put it on myself. I havn't done this on a L200 before so bear with me if I ask dumb questions. First one if i put a rule on its edge alond the length of the block would this show up any warping. How do you rate Milners heads or do you know of another supplier.

You need to use a decent steel straightedge rather than just a rule, this video shows how, he mentions using a 4 thou feeler which is 0.1 mm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWtsgYaPk_M


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 02 November, 2019, 18:49:30 PM
Cheers for that what size feeler should I use?


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 02 November, 2019, 23:40:10 PM
My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.

Thought so! That's what happens when you fit a solid flywheel to an engine designed to have a DMF.

no uk spec k74 ever came with a DMF and the 4d56 crank was designed long before DMF's were even invented..   DMF's are for driver comfort, not to reduce crankshaft stress,


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 02 November, 2019, 23:46:23 PM
Cheers for that what size feeler should I use?

0.05mm standard,  0.2mm limit, so a 0.2 would be good,

a proper straight edge or a hefty bit of bright steel cut to length works well,


i buy heads bare from ebay for about 180,  mls gasket n bolts from milners usually,   need to know how to lap valves and make a spring compressor tool if you want to do it that way,   or 370odd for a built head,

remember tappets must always be done.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 03 November, 2019, 09:59:16 AM
Cheers mate am waiting for a new straight edge to check block before buying, will go for complete head I think. Last time I did head change was on a volvo F88 (showing my age here) and torqued head using a scaffold tube! :-X


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 03 November, 2019, 11:37:44 AM
Cheers mate am waiting for a new straight edge to check block before buying, will go for complete head I think. Last time I did head change was on a volvo F88 (showing my age here) and torqued head using a scaffold tube! :-X

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealey-AK623B-Micrometer-Torque-Wrench-3-8-Sq-Drive-Calibrated-Black-Series/332070027094?hash=item4d50ea7f56:g:KHwAAOSwylBcNJgm (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealey-AK623B-Micrometer-Torque-Wrench-3-8-Sq-Drive-Calibrated-Black-Series/332070027094?hash=item4d50ea7f56:g:KHwAAOSwylBcNJgm)


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 03 November, 2019, 18:25:21 PM
I take it you don't recommend using a scaffold tube then. I have got a torque wrench but it is only a cheepo would I be better to buy a new quality one.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Nooks on 04 November, 2019, 07:53:26 AM
I got one from Screwfix, Quite similar to the Sealy one but 1/2" drive with a short extension and a 3/8" adapter, 20 odd quid.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 09 November, 2019, 01:32:43 AM
I take it you don't recommend using a scaffold tube then. I have got a torque wrench but it is only a cheepo would I be better to buy a new quality one.

you really cant go round guessing torque on heads,,   there is a "TPA" for the 4d56, but its pretty damn useless on MLS.


go up to 120nm in as many stages as you like


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: barnstormer on 09 November, 2019, 21:07:02 PM
My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.

Thought so! That's what happens when you fit a solid flywheel to an engine designed to have a DMF.

no uk spec k74 ever came with a DMF and the 4d56 crank was designed long before DMF's were even invented..   DMF's are for driver comfort, not to reduce crankshaft stress,

Firstly, dual mass flywheels are fitted to protect the driveline, (clutch, gearbox, propshaft, rear axle) from torsional vibration harmonics - nothing much to do with driver comfort.



Secondly - have a look at this https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=66&t=1632782





Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 10 November, 2019, 18:44:32 PM
My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.

Thought so! That's what happens when you fit a solid flywheel to an engine designed to have a DMF.

no uk spec k74 ever came with a DMF and the 4d56 crank was designed long before DMF's were even invented..   DMF's are for driver comfort, not to reduce crankshaft stress,

Firstly, dual mass flywheels are fitted to protect the driveline, (clutch, gearbox, propshaft, rear axle) from torsional vibration harmonics - nothing much to do with driver comfort.



Secondly - have a look at this https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=66&t=1632782






well, one guy being told he has a dmf by a garage, that really is proof right there!


i have seen DMF's on pajero's.  on the 2.8, and i assume the 2.5 may have had it in other markets possibly,   but the k74  as sold in the UK,    important point there,  as sold in the uk, not a factory import.   never had a DMF,  i have pulled apart a good number and have never seen a DMF yet.

DMF's remove the small vibrations which cause gearbox chatter, and, to a very small degree,  ease pulling away smoothly,    a manual gearbox is designed to cope with far higher torques from peak engine torque, and shock loading from the drive line.   the engine vibrations are tiny compared to this,  but they do cause gear chatter.

so, in summary, the job of a DMF is driver comfort above all else.  if you want proof look at HGV's.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 14 November, 2019, 10:17:45 AM
O.K. I have finally got the beast into the workshop ready to go. at the moment i'm having trouble getting the timing belt pulley off the old head any tips? cheers all.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: mixaguy on 20 November, 2019, 00:00:53 AM
just to say i had a recon engine supplied and fitted by rainham engineering.. i have the overall  bill with all the extras that creeped in .... will be pleased to forward a copy. This work was carried out in march 2016 by A1 engines and gearboxes, Rainham.



Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: mixaguy on 20 November, 2019, 00:05:38 AM
ps meant to say total bill 2200.00. best of luck with resurrection.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 20 November, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
O.K. I have finally got the beast into the workshop ready to go. at the moment i'm having trouble getting the timing belt pulley off the old head any tips? cheers all.


impact gun,


they arent especially tight.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 20 November, 2019, 15:29:55 PM
Cheers mate have a impact gun just need to find the time; It is a right hand thread isn't it.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 23 November, 2019, 01:25:56 AM
Cheers mate have a impact gun just need to find the time; It is a right hand thread isn't it.

yea no left hand threads on mitsis,,   not really a automotive thing these days generally. apart from track rods

cam sprocket is 70nm if i remember right so itll come off.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 23 November, 2019, 09:40:06 AM
Cheers for that, its good to know they all right hand except track rod ends. I am waiting for delivery of the parts(I live in France) will be back in touch when I start the rebuild. I will be getting the workshop manual so I shouldn't need to ask so many daft questions. Thanks for your help and patience so far. Pete


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 28 November, 2019, 09:35:07 AM
I have finally sent for the parts In the last fortnight we have had an earthquake(5.2 on the richter scale) A snow storm that brought thousands of trees down and caused a power outage for six days and torrential rain that has flooded large parts of the region. Anyway douch can you tell me what size of tap I need to clean out the threads on the block. Cheers all at least the sun is shining now!


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 02 December, 2019, 22:07:41 PM
I have finally sent for the parts In the last fortnight we have had an earthquake(5.2 on the richter scale) A snow storm that brought thousands of trees down and caused a power outage for six days and torrential rain that has flooded large parts of the region. Anyway douch can you tell me what size of tap I need to clean out the threads on the block. Cheers all at least the sun is shining now!


just use a head bolt and some wd40 and clean it off each time until it comes out clean.   think they are 12x1.25 if i remember correctly but no standard tap will reach and its honestly not necessary

make sure you suck all liquids out of all the holes and clean the deck thoroughly, dont leave any of the old composite on,  be brave its an iron block    a brass or light steel brush on a die-grinder is a good tool for this,   be sure to clean out the cylinders, particularly any metal or blue roll youve got in there,  rotating the engine and WD40 helps here too,

also unblock the steam ports between the cylinders,   dont forget your valve lash and new injector washers,  2 copper 1 tin.

remember washers for the headbolts,..

enjoy


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 03 December, 2019, 15:49:15 PM
Cheers buddy just waiting for a long reach socket to gat the injectors out of the old head and I will start the rebuild. Watch this space for more daft questions!


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 15 December, 2019, 09:49:06 AM
O.K. got the head torqued down and putting the timing belt on today, when I put the injector pump to its mark it tends to jump just past or before the mark is this normal and I need to make sure its actually on the mark. Oh and I cant find the torque settings for the injectors. Thanks in advance for any help, cheers, Pete.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 15 December, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
O.K. got the head torqued down and putting the timing belt on today, when I put the injector pump to its mark it tends to jump just past or before the mark is this normal and I need to make sure its actually on the mark. Oh and I cant find the torque settings for the injectors. Thanks in advance for any help, cheers, Pete.

yup injection pump likes to go 1 tooth back, so dont let it,  once you think youve got it right spin it over a few times and check the marks again.


54nm for the injector bodies,,  leak off rail can be whatever you like, use a spanner.

dont go too tight on glow plugs either


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 15 December, 2019, 16:08:02 PM
Cheers mate will have a go at that tomorrow. Tell you what, ;) me arms are aching after torquing the head down. Is it necessary to back the bolts off 90degrees and retighten or leave it till 1,000 ks ?


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 18 December, 2019, 09:32:51 AM
Hi all setting up the tappets on a cold engine this morning is the gap .015, or .15 mm? Cheers,Pete


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 19 December, 2019, 22:27:33 PM
Hi all setting up the tappets on a cold engine this morning is the gap .015, or .15 mm? Cheers,Pete

   mm,   

once the heads at 120nm  dont touch it ever again,   youll do more harm than good.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 20 December, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
Good advice as ever. ;)


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 21 December, 2019, 00:12:29 AM
Good advice as ever. ;)



you should have loosened off the head after about 50 or 60nm or so then gone again when you were doing it


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 21 December, 2019, 09:14:19 AM
I have got a bit of a bad feeling about my rebuild. I torqued the head down dry, then yesterday read an old post of Douches where he always uses gasket paste. Question is should I take the head back off while its still easy or take the chance?


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 04 January, 2020, 17:04:50 PM
Finally got the engine together and started it yesterday. Its running like a singer sewing machine, I cant thank this forum enough for the help I have had over the last thirteen years and were not done yet. Special thanks to Douchcalamondaes for your help and advice, if it hadn't been for the rollicking you gave me at the the beginning of this thread I think I may have scrapped the old beast.All I've got to do now is replace rear shockers various suspension bits and a couple of brake lines and it will be like new(sort of) Well chuffed, this is still one of the best motor forums i have come across! ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 04 January, 2020, 23:17:17 PM
I have got a bit of a bad feeling about my rebuild. I torqued the head down dry, then yesterday read an old post of Douches where he always uses gasket paste. Question is should I take the head back off while its still easy or take the chance?


na generally you dont use gasket paste, particularly if your doing the job "right".  not sure what post you found i must have been on drugs again. :-X

ive used it on a renault which we didnt give a F about and it worked ,  but its not the done thing,    best thing is clean, oil free, dry, very flat surfaces compressed nice and evenly.;).




make sure to check coolant regularly and use a nice heavy antifreeze mix,
and have a feel of your viscous make sure its up to job


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: Supersnail on 07 January, 2020, 17:07:33 PM
cheers mate everything is running fine the only problem is I can't get the heater to blow hot. I've tried parking the front end on top of a pile of gravel but it doesn't seem to bleed is there something i've missed? Keep taking the pills! Cheers Pete.


Title: Re: Resurection?
Post by: douchecalamondaes on 12 January, 2020, 00:25:34 AM
cheers mate everything is running fine the only problem is I can't get the heater to blow hot. I've tried parking the front end on top of a pile of gravel but it doesn't seem to bleed is there something i've missed? Keep taking the pills! Cheers Pete.


keep the rad cap off and keep filling it while its idling, it shouldnt take more than 10 minutes at worst to get hot in the cab,   if it still wont go dont run it give me a ring