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« on: 30 October, 2019, 19:26:39 PM »

Hi all, just done a good bit of business and find myself in a position to put (yet) another engine in the truck. I have a price of 1,600 for a rebuilt engine from engineering services in Rainham. I bought the last one from them and it has done well. Also I see Milners do a new long engine for 1,800. Question is has anybody used Milners engines and how good are they? I just looked at some second hand trucks here in France and the prices are horrendous,how about a 2003 truck for 12,000 Euros? and a 2004 for 15,000.Also how do I get a discount code for Milners. Any input would be appreciated,cheers all Pete.
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« Reply #1 on: 30 October, 2019, 19:30:33 PM »

some one has come to me with a 13month old milners engine with a head gasket leak,  milners not interested in warranty, 

what have you done to your engine,  and what has been done in the past?   there is no reason to be needing to put a new engine in more than once,

weve got 4 on original engines at 150 thou plus miles,   no issues,
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« Reply #2 on: 30 October, 2019, 20:49:03 PM »

Cheers for the quick response,the head is twisted by 4mm and we are not sure about the block, which is why I am looking for a new motor.The truck has done 370,000 kilometers much of it off road and pulling heavy trailers not to mention pulling the caravan over half of Europe so it has not had an easy life. Its more or less retired now, I just use it for forestry collecting wood and as a run around so I am looking for a solution for the next few years. Sounds like you arn't keen on Milners so perhaps I will go with the devil I know. If you have any more thoughts on this I would be grateful.
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« Reply #3 on: 31 October, 2019, 10:15:49 AM »

I put a remanufactured engine in mine from Ivor searl was not cheap but I think you pay for what you get,
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« Reply #4 on: 31 October, 2019, 19:34:11 PM »

My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.
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« Reply #5 on: 31 October, 2019, 19:41:35 PM »

Cheers for the quick response,the head is twisted by 4mm and we are not sure about the block, which is why I am looking for a new motor.The truck has done 370,000 kilometers much of it off road and pulling heavy trailers not to mention pulling the caravan over half of Europe so it has not had an easy life. Its more or less retired now, I just use it for forestry collecting wood and as a run around so I am looking for a solution for the next few years. Sounds like you arn't keen on Milners so perhaps I will go with the devil I know. If you have any more thoughts on this I would be grateful.

so youve got a warped head,,   why not check the block for flatness eh?  piece of bright of a good ruler and a feeler guage is all you need to save yourself 1500quid christ.


ours are builders and farmers wagons, the "hard life"  excuse doesnt hold water,  ours get treated far worse than yours i garuntee it and likely pull heavier loads.  its a question of other parts not being up to scratch causing overheating.

cast iron blocks are almost always ok,  check it with flat, i literally just threw a brand new head on a farmers truck that had been Fliped for years and only cost me 230odd quid.

check your fan, your egr cooler, your radiator, your thermostat,  turbo feed pipes,  and o ring,.


dont throw good money after bad, damn.
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« Reply #6 on: 01 November, 2019, 01:24:22 AM »

My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?
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« Reply #7 on: 01 November, 2019, 11:46:46 AM »

My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.
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« Reply #8 on: 01 November, 2019, 13:23:58 PM »

My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.

Thought so! That's what happens when you fit a solid flywheel to an engine designed to have a DMF.
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« Reply #9 on: 01 November, 2019, 19:48:39 PM »

OK Douch I take your point I will get a new head and put it on myself. I havn't done this on a L200 before so bear with me if I ask dumb questions. First one if i put a rule on its edge alond the length of the block would this show up any warping. How do you rate Milners heads or do you know of another supplier.
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« Reply #10 on: 01 November, 2019, 22:26:57 PM »

OK Douch I take your point I will get a new head and put it on myself. I havn't done this on a L200 before so bear with me if I ask dumb questions. First one if i put a rule on its edge alond the length of the block would this show up any warping. How do you rate Milners heads or do you know of another supplier.

You need to use a decent steel straightedge rather than just a rule, this video shows how, he mentions using a 4 thou feeler which is 0.1 mm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWtsgYaPk_M
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« Reply #11 on: 02 November, 2019, 18:49:30 PM »

Cheers for that what size feeler should I use?
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« Reply #12 on: 02 November, 2019, 23:40:10 PM »

My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.

Thought so! That's what happens when you fit a solid flywheel to an engine designed to have a DMF.

no uk spec k74 ever came with a DMF and the 4d56 crank was designed long before DMF's were even invented..   DMF's are for driver comfort, not to reduce crankshaft stress,
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« Reply #13 on: 02 November, 2019, 23:46:23 PM »

Cheers for that what size feeler should I use?

0.05mm standard,  0.2mm limit, so a 0.2 would be good,

a proper straight edge or a hefty bit of bright steel cut to length works well,


i buy heads bare from ebay for about 180,  mls gasket n bolts from milners usually,   need to know how to lap valves and make a spring compressor tool if you want to do it that way,   or 370odd for a built head,

remember tappets must always be done.
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« Reply #14 on: 03 November, 2019, 09:59:16 AM »

Cheers mate am waiting for a new straight edge to check block before buying, will go for complete head I think. Last time I did head change was on a volvo F88 (showing my age here) and torqued head using a scaffold tube! Lips sealed
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« Reply #15 on: 03 November, 2019, 11:37:44 AM »

Cheers mate am waiting for a new straight edge to check block before buying, will go for complete head I think. Last time I did head change was on a volvo F88 (showing my age here) and torqued head using a scaffold tube! Lips sealed

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealey-AK623B-Micrometer-Torque-Wrench-3-8-Sq-Drive-Calibrated-Black-Series/332070027094?hash=item4d50ea7f56:g:KHwAAOSwylBcNJgm
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« Reply #16 on: 03 November, 2019, 18:25:21 PM »

I take it you don't recommend using a scaffold tube then. I have got a torque wrench but it is only a cheepo would I be better to buy a new quality one.
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« Reply #17 on: 04 November, 2019, 07:53:26 AM »

I got one from Screwfix, Quite similar to the Sealy one but 1/2" drive with a short extension and a 3/8" adapter, 20 odd quid.
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« Reply #18 on: 09 November, 2019, 01:32:43 AM »

I take it you don't recommend using a scaffold tube then. I have got a torque wrench but it is only a cheepo would I be better to buy a new quality one.

you really cant go round guessing torque on heads,,   there is a "TPA" for the 4d56, but its pretty damn useless on MLS.


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« Reply #19 on: 09 November, 2019, 21:07:02 PM »

My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.

Thought so! That's what happens when you fit a solid flywheel to an engine designed to have a DMF.

no uk spec k74 ever came with a DMF and the 4d56 crank was designed long before DMF's were even invented..   DMF's are for driver comfort, not to reduce crankshaft stress,

Firstly, dual mass flywheels are fitted to protect the driveline, (clutch, gearbox, propshaft, rear axle) from torsional vibration harmonics - nothing much to do with driver comfort.



Secondly - have a look at this https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=66&t=1632782



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« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 18:44:32 »

My engine was from Ivor Searle in 2011. Died last month with snapped crank.

Did it have a solid flywheel or a DMF?

Solid flywheel. 4d56 engine.

Thought so! That's what happens when you fit a solid flywheel to an engine designed to have a DMF.

no uk spec k74 ever came with a DMF and the 4d56 crank was designed long before DMF's were even invented..   DMF's are for driver comfort, not to reduce crankshaft stress,

Firstly, dual mass flywheels are fitted to protect the driveline, (clutch, gearbox, propshaft, rear axle) from torsional vibration harmonics - nothing much to do with driver comfort.



Secondly - have a look at this https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=66&t=1632782






well, one guy being told he has a dmf by a garage, that really is proof right there!


i have seen DMF's on pajero's.  on the 2.8, and i assume the 2.5 may have had it in other markets possibly,   but the k74  as sold in the UK,    important point there,  as sold in the uk, not a factory import.   never had a DMF,  i have pulled apart a good number and have never seen a DMF yet.

DMF's remove the small vibrations which cause gearbox chatter, and, to a very small degree,  ease pulling away smoothly,    a manual gearbox is designed to cope with far higher torques from peak engine torque, and shock loading from the drive line.   the engine vibrations are tiny compared to this,  but they do cause gear chatter.

so, in summary, the job of a DMF is driver comfort above all else.  if you want proof look at HGV's.
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