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« on: 08 January, 2008, 16:05:19 PM »

I have been sent the following -

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Dear Sir

I am sorry to bother you but I am an insurance investigator ( from an
investigation department within the largest firm of UK Insurance Loss
Adjusters) making enquiries on behalf of a major UK Insurer following
the recent theft of an 06 plate Mitsubishi L200.

I found your contact details from enquiries on the web.

The vehicle appears to have been stolen - very possibly driven away -
without the use of an original key. Our understanding is that the
immobiliser system will not allow the vehicle to be started without a
key containing the correct transponder and code.

We wonder if you and your members have any experience or knowledge of
any other such thefts of L200's occurring i.e. when all bona-fide keys
are accounted for and were not used?

Many thanks in anticipation for any information you can give.

Yours faithfully

Michael O'Brien

Would anyone like to comment on this ?

It has been suggested, as long shots, that there are scanning devices that can determine the correct frequency and
therefore simulate the transponder and therefore allow good old fashioned hot wiring and that there may be a problem on the new L200 that would allow this.

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« Reply #1 on: 08 January, 2008, 16:23:21 PM »

Crikey.

Haven't heard anything like this but it doesn't bode well come renewal time IF this can happen  Sad Cry

(or the letter's from a gang of crooks trying to find a way to nick the trucks  Angry)
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« Reply #2 on: 08 January, 2008, 16:41:05 PM »

I'd be inclined to just decline to comment, as the poor guy who's had his truck nicked could be an owners club member. Michael O'Brien is being paid to investigate that for the purpose of invalidating the claim, the forum is already used by CCC to invalidate warranties so let not start on insurance as well. Sad

There are ways to drive an immobilised vehicle without having the key however I'm not going into any of it on here since a) I don't know enough to give a complete answer and b) even if I did I'd wouldn't be telling anyone!!
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« Reply #3 on: 08 January, 2008, 16:43:57 PM »

Here's a first Stee - I agree  Shocked

If this story rings any bells with an Owners Club member PLEASE let us know !!

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« Reply #4 on: 08 January, 2008, 16:44:45 PM »

From my time working for the police I would say not possible.....BUT given time and effort..........one phase that passed through this neck of the woods was vehicles being trailered away. Example - big 4x4 - rangie with 2 axle trailer fitted with winch.......taken from the scene and when in a `safe` place `worked` on. I dont know the full details but I think they operated from within the m25.

Having said all that I would of thought an investigator from a firm of loss adjustors would be aware of that..........but alot of insurers try it on by not paying the relevant police force for a copy of the crime report, statements, etc Wink Wink
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« Reply #5 on: 08 January, 2008, 17:07:20 PM »

Not sure if this is the guy or if it is even relevent but here's a couple of pages that deatail Michael O'Brian insurance services


http://www.ifa-guide.co.uk/kent/rochester/michael-obrien-insurance-services-1439-22265.html

http://insurance-broker-directory.com/detail.asp?CompanyName=2683
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« Reply #6 on: 08 January, 2008, 18:07:01 PM »

why doesn't he just contact Misti direct, surely they should know.. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: 08 January, 2008, 18:08:33 PM »

He'll be fishing around for external sources - quite a common practice for loss adjusters.
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« Reply #8 on: 08 January, 2008, 19:06:19 PM »

'He' is Michael O'Brien - part of Cunningham Lindsey UK Ltd

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« Reply #9 on: 08 January, 2008, 21:58:41 PM »

There is always a way around these things ...

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« Reply #10 on: 08 January, 2008, 22:14:54 PM »

If it has a transponder key it is very unlikely to be driven away .I am a master tech with citroen for me to start a vehcile witout key i would need to change at least 3 ecu's but saying that mines a 02 plate and i have no transponder key . Embarrassed
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« Reply #11 on: 09 January, 2008, 00:07:52 AM »

If it has a transponder key it is very unlikely to be driven away .I am a master tech with citroen for me to start a vehcile witout key i would need to change at least 3 ecu's but saying that mines a 02 plate and i have no transponder key . Embarrassed

You should have a transponder key see this topic
http://www.l200.org.uk/community/index.php?topic=6288.0
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« Reply #12 on: 09 January, 2008, 02:08:14 AM »

Nope just got one cut standerd key  Huh
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« Reply #13 on: 09 January, 2008, 07:35:25 AM »

mines a 02 plate and i have no transponder key . Embarrassed

You should have a transponder key see this topic
http://www.l200.org.uk/community/index.php?topic=6288.0
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Nope just got one cut standerd key  Huh

Then you own an grey import (Non-Imobiliser System) or if UK spec the existing system has been modified/tampered with.
Check the aerial (reader coil) around the ignition to see if a transponder chip has been secured/taped to it.
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« Reply #14 on: 09 January, 2008, 09:52:26 AM »

Chris, tell him to sling his hook. As Stee says he's probably looking for a way to get out of paying. The only other explanation is he's a crook. 

Was the post mark from Nigeria?  Smiley

What a cheek,  he hasn't joined the club, he's just looking for information to shaft someone free of charge.  Angry Angry
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« Reply #15 on: 09 January, 2008, 10:02:21 AM »

mines a 02 plate and i have no transponder key . Embarrassed

You should have a transponder key see this topic
http://www.l200.org.uk/community/index.php?topic=6288.0
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Nope just got one cut standerd key  Huh

Then you own an grey import (Non-Imobiliser System) or if UK spec the existing system has been modified/tampered with.
Check the aerial (reader coil) around the ignition to see if a transponder chip has been secured/taped to it.



Hmmm intresting i will ave look into this when i am better Damm man flu
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« Reply #16 on: 09 January, 2008, 11:53:59 AM »

Has no one considered that if you can drive the truck away without a transponder key Mitsi will have one hell of a counter claim with everyone who assumes there truck is immobilised when in essence it is not...|?
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« Reply #17 on: 09 January, 2008, 12:36:17 PM »

Has no one considered that if you can drive the truck away without a transponder key Mitsi will have one hell of a counter claim with everyone who assumes there truck is immobilised when in essence it is not...|?

This is probably the biggest issue in this thread, never mind what the OT was about.

We also need to be careful not to start a massive, unfounded??, rumour.
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« Reply #18 on: 09 January, 2008, 12:57:27 PM »

If it has a transponder key it is very unlikely to be driven away
Unlikely, but not impossible. And as it'd be validating the guys claim, its exactly what Cunningham Lindsey don't want to hear. Smiley

Basically given the correct knowledge and opportunity, it'd be possible.
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« Reply #19 on: 09 January, 2008, 13:33:42 PM »

And another thing....

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Can an L200 be stolen without the original keys ?.....

Yes, pick it up and put it on a lorry. Or drag it onto it.
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« Reply #20 on: 09 January, 2008, 17:10:33 PM »

Adding abit more to this debate - again from my time with the police.
Of the 8/9 pickups stolen in a 6 month period - the owners admitted leaving keys in all bar one which had witness marks indicating a trailer job.....
All were recovered - some with `replacement` plates, all pretty well undamaged. Most had been paid out by insurers so went back to them.
One had over 20,000 worth of unique tiles for a swimming pool in the back......they were not there when he got his pickup back
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« Reply #21 on: 19 January, 2009, 20:38:12 PM »

I have my own small recovery business as far as im aware uk trucks are transponder fitted therefore cannot be started with the old screwdriver but can be direct wired to the pump and bumped. import trucks well are not the same and are like the old cortina's so need a thatcham system fitted . Best things are a good drycell alarm with extra drycell sirens  1 behind dash and i under neath but well guarded and a stoplock for visual effect.Or tracker moniter.
Then you may stand a chance but with another vehicle recovery truck or trailer  they still vanish just like all things not screwed down.
tracker you are 95% to get it back, 2%never seen again and 3% fire damaged.
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« Reply #22 on: 03 February, 2009, 20:49:52 PM »

mine is a 2000 model with no transponder and it was registered here new according to dvla and hpi
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« Reply #23 on: 03 February, 2009, 23:38:32 PM »

when i needed a second key i mentioned about having a `master` key to have as a spare, the gy a registered chipper said " if only" save me a lot of problems, it took a new chip, a new key, my key, a computer attached to the plug in the cab, and some stuff he did not tell me, i said about some one pinching it with a key thats not mine, he said unlikely, but if they can remove stuff from the likes of brinks matt then a cars a lot easier, the cost of the kit would be prohibitive as well, perhaps if they nicking 20 a week to order it may pay for itself, end the day looks like the insurance dont mind taking the bet, which basically is what insurance is, but dont want to pay up when they lose, and will use any underhand way they can not to have to
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« Reply #24 on: 07 May, 2009, 07:51:25 AM »

What a cheek,  he hasn't joined the club, he's just looking for information to shaft someone free of charge.  Angry Angry

LOL - so it is ok to shaft someone if he had paid his membership?
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« Reply #25 on: 08 July, 2009, 18:32:50 PM »

It seems insurance companys are worried about L200s getting pinched [at least in North Harrow].

NFU refused to insure me, they say the HA2 postcode is a definate "no" on their computer, even if in a garage.

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« Reply #26 on: 03 September, 2009, 19:40:01 PM »

mine is a 2000 model with no transponder and it was registered here new according to dvla and hpi

mine is a 2k uk 4life, not sure what the transponder is lol, but the key looks like a standard cut one, i have 2 cobra fobs but only one key, went to get one cut and the guy popped my standard cut looking key on a machine and told me it was coded, think any normal key/shoe repair has the machine to test the key
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« Reply #27 on: 04 October, 2009, 12:31:07 PM »

its 100% possible to take anything without a key you just need to know what your doing take the bmw ews system i mastered this immpossible system withing minutes when i knew what i was looking for not because im a car thief it was and engine conversion i did my car ran the chip key system and the new engine and ecu didnt so after a little research and an auto electrician telling me i needed the ecu wiping and rewriting i looked into it and you would be shocked at how easy it was i wont go into detail as you never know whos looking and wouldnt want to help a thief so theres my answer

also could be the good old insurance job many people do it
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« Reply #28 on: 22 October, 2016, 13:42:50 PM »

Anything can be taken with the correct knowledge and determination.. speaking from experience (from a previous job) if you need a vehicle moving, it can be moved...
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